To sacrifice the only life we knew (our self-centeredness), perchance for an even greater life beyond. Yes, this is the whole crux of the matter. Indeed, what is the point if there were no payoff?

So, doesn't it stand to reason that God would have us remain the selfish little swine we are, than have us come to Him unwillingly?

Perhaps our existence here is just an illusion but, a grand one at that!

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?

Payoff? All the things you have done in your life, all of it, you did it just to get some reward? Is that the real meaning of life? Just a spiritual selfishness?

I believe what I'm asking here is what is the point of the crucifixion of Jesus? Why should He do it if there wasn't some sort of benefit -- and hence payoff -- involved? Perhaps payoff may not be the best way to put it, however, that's essentially what it entails if you understand that death is just the beginning of life, not the end of it.

Which is why I think God would rather have you remain a self-centered "egotist," than to accept these things unwillingly. And this I think is what the sacrifice is all about. I don't know, does that make any sense?

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?