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04-12-2004, 08:25 AM

The New Church

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1 Shown are the seven major communities in Southern Oregon which I've ascribed to the New Church. It was a correspondence I suspected for awhile (since 1988), and I finally drew drew it up in 1993. Now the reason I selected these cities, as opposed to some of the larger communities—except for Grants Pass, Medford and Ashland—is because of their familiarity and, they stood out the most in my mind, and so required little thought on my part.

2 And here I had lived in Grants Pass and Merlin, while Selma and Cave Junction were strategically located nearby on Highway 199, which enters Southern Oregon from Northern California and links U.S. 101 with Interstate 5 at Grants Pass. (Note these four cities are located in Josephine County.) And Rogue River, like Medford and Ashland, was located next door off Interstate 5, the major highway running the length of Oregon. (These three cities are located in Jackson County.)

3 Now there's a remarkable similarity here—in configuration—to the Seven Churches of Asia, as portrayed in Revelation 1-3 which, were central to the Kingdom of Lydia. And though there's some variation, both are nearly the same, except the Southern Oregon area is about half scale. Therefore when speaking of the Churches of Asia, we're speaking of the Christian Church, and where it initially manifested itself. And having lived in the Southern Oregon area, I suspected it had something to do with the New Church, and it occurred to me that there might be a parallel. And there is!

4 Being the fourth and sixth churches, the obvious correlation is with the number 46, as corresponds to the number 4—or, the fourth church (and to the woman's mother or will). Beyond that, it seems significant that the Christian Church, which proceeded from the Israelite or third church, migrated to Greece, which was northwest of Judea: a direction which when plotted on the cross, corresponds to the number 3. It therefore seems fitting that when The Church migrated to Great Britain, the fifth church, it was northwest of Greece! Which finally migrated to the United States (although more of a westerly direction), to Southwestern Oregon—which is the Pacific Northwest!

5 While this is where Roy Masters has relocated the Foundation of Human Understanding from Los Angeles (more specifically Grants Pass and Selma). Indeed the FHU has been instrumental to the development of the New Church and, if wasn't for them, we wouldn't be speaking about a church, or anything else? Which only corroborates what I'm saying above, but as I mention elsewhere, I view them more as its forerunner. Thus it would suffice to say the New Church has manifested itself in Southern Oregon. Therefore in the following, using representations from the last chapter, as well as in Gerarai, I'll be giving a general account of The Church. And while a bit on the sketchy side (the map telling much of the story), I follow with the additional Account of Theseus, which helps confirm this.

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05-08-2004, 10:20 PM

<3 Now there's a remarkable similarity here—in configuration—to the Seven Churches of Asia, as portrayed in Revelation 1-3 which, were central to the Kingdom of Lydia.>

The ability to see similarities means you're seeing from the Center, where everything mirrors everything else, and all is one. But the similarities & analogies you see in your life are different from the ones others see in their lives. So the point is not that Southern Oregon is special; the point is that you and I and others are centered. It's not what we see, it's that we see. Peace.

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05-10-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grace

The ability to see similarities means you're seeing from the Center, where everything mirrors everything else, and all is one. But the similarities & analogies you see in your life are different from the ones others see in their lives. So the point is not that Southern Oregon is special; the point is that you and I and others are centered. It's not what we see, it's that we see. Peace.

Except from the standpoint of its lineage or, historical aspect, these things need to be included. For quite often this all people have to go by, at least inintially.

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05-10-2004, 07:40 PM

Yes, initially I had the Bible. Now I have the living Bible, which is in my heart.

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08-30-2004, 08:51 PM

Church of Smyrna/Church of False Doctrine

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Originally Posted by Iacchus32

Chapter 12 / The New Church

You refer to Roy Masters and the Foundation of Human Understanding as the forerunner to the New Church (comparing it to the Church of Smyrna and the church of false doctrine). You invested many years in this organization. Do you consider your association with the FHU a total waste or do you credit them with getting to the place where you are now even though you've more or less severed all ties with them (even to the point of burning all their books)? Would you have the knowledge, understanding and the experience of being "in the moment" if you had not first formed an affiliation with the FHU?

Last edited by Pegasus : 08-30-2004 at 09:15 PM.

09-01-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pegasus

Well, let me put it this way, if it wasn't for Roy Masters and his Iconoclastic approach, there would be no book, The Advent of Dionysus, to speak of. While the relationship between him and myself are pretty much spelled out in chapters 11.01-11.11, 12.01-12.02 and 13.01-13.02. I also refer to him in chapters 04.02, 04.05, 06.02, 05.01, 07.01-07.03, 09.01, and mention him in a couple of places in chapter 10.01.

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