So, the earth is not the Center of Existence huh? How so?

If the Universe is endless, then we must be in its center. In fact we always will be. Why? Because that's what existence is all about, being in the center of who we are ... If you told the bug under the rock that his little domain wasn't the center of the universe, do you think he'd get it? How could he? Else he'd have to concern himself with some other bug under some other rock in some other galaxy far far away, let alone the bug under a rock just two feet away! And do you think that would wash over?

So, is it wrong to believe the earth is the center of the Universe then? Afterall, everything operates from within its center doesn't it? In fact if we understood this, we might understand that the Holy Land of all our mythologies is not someplace out there but, within us.

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?

I can appreciate self knowledge, and being centered as in balance with the whole, and especially that the kingdom of God is within each of us. However, just because the bug doesn't consider possibilities outside his domain it doesn't make him the center of the universe. I think that kind of lack of humility is what caused humankind's fall from grace. I believe the original sin is not something we can step away from just because Adam and Eve were at fault, not us. It had nothing to do with Eve breaking the rules and then getting Adam to break them, too. The original sin was the breaking of the Pleroma, the fullness of being that seperated the masculine and the feminine into two halves of a whole, something God did just by creating us in the way He did. We continue in this sin by not striving for the knowledge that will bring us back to the Pleroma, and preconceiving ourselves to be the epitome of existence will not bring us to that knowledge.

Like I'm saying tell that to the bug!

However, I think there's a difference between being self-centered and being centered in oneself, as similar they might sound. Neither is it possible to exist outside of yourself is it? It is in the sense that you have an effect on your surroundings (the way you affect other people), however it still originates from within you.

Or, could it be that they were drawn away from their center which, is the union between themselves?

Yes.

I agree. But what I would like to know is, What the heck is a Pleroma?

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?

So, why make such a big deal about Science when in fact we have all we need to sustain ourselves right here and now? It works for all the creatures on this planet, what makes us so special?

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?

To the Gnostics, Pleroma was a concept of fullness of knowledge and being, a completeness and a connection to God that was broken by humankind in their fall from grace. According to them, Jesus was supposed to have said, "Concerning the Pleroma, it is I". Carl Jung referred to it in Seven Sermons as the realm of the collective unconscious. It is a Greek word originally meaning "that which is filled".

Would this be anything comparable to the divine androgeny? Because I believe both Dionysus and Jesus represented this.

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?

Excerpt from Joseph Campbell's, The Power of Myth ...

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?