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Old 09-19-2004, 10:37 PM
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I am conscious. I know that I am conscious. This is the basis I have for establishing everything else. In which case it becomes the basis for my asking a lot of questions. Not of Digital Cuttlefish though or, of anyone else for that matter, mind you. The fact that I have an inquiring mind is sufficient enough, in most cases anyway. Now that isn't to say I can't ask other people questions, just that the confirmation of those questions rests within me.
Oh, come on, you can say it: you ask questions, and accept the answers you agree with, and reject the ones you do not.
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If you're trying to tell me that life doesn't entail the experience of life itself, then you're full of it!
Please do not tell me what I am trying to tell you. You are wrong again here. I did not say that--I said that there are things we cannot learn simply by thinking about them.
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Oh, I see we have a wishful thinker in our midst. What, are you saying we don't know the answer to that which gives us the ability to know the answer to everything else? Boy, that's lame. You see this is why we can't trust Science, because it doesn't know why it knows. Science is not conscious, only the human beings which impliment Science are conscious ... supposedly anyway.
Do you even read what you write?
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Why is Science (its extensive use) so important to human beings then? In other words the experience of discovery rests with the fact that we're human beings and, conscious, not with Science necessarily. Otherwise we're putting the cart before the horse here, not to mention all our eggs in one basket ... as big as it is!
Just curious--how is this a reply to what I wrote? I had to go back and look at what I wrote that this was your response to. Wow.
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And yet life evolves, to the extent where everything has its own purpose in this respect.
The word "evolves" is a nice choice. Yet another thing that science told you, and which you accept as true, but which would never have come through your method.
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If they don't learn how to become self-reliant, to some extent, then yes.
I hope you become self-reliant, then.
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Old 09-20-2004, 06:10 PM
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Oh, I'm so... um... happy for you. Now I understand why he hasn't made a pass at me.

Actually, I think he might be paving the way for a new relationship. Have you noticed that his mailbox is full? Just how difficult is it to copy his private messages or delete the ones he doesn't need? He's obviously making himself inaccessible. He's working overtime and he bought a new van. Next thing we know, he'll be going out to buy hair dye. Oh well--what can we expect from someone who has the Fourteen Gerarai in his repertoire? You know what they say about men who suddenly show an interest in their appearance? I bet he's even taking a shower three times a week instead of just once.
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Old 09-20-2004, 07:24 PM
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Hey, did you know that a cat has three names? ... 1) The name that his master calls him ... 2) His scientific name and ... 3) The name that nobody knows but the cat himself? Meow ...
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Old 09-20-2004, 07:39 PM
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Your avatar reminds me of something very unusual that happened this weekend. It was after dark, and a gray cat was just sitting there meowing under a small pine tree at one end of our circular driveway. I've seen cats around before but they usually turn and run. This one was just sitting there.
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Old 09-20-2004, 07:51 PM
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Hey, did you know that a cat has three names? ... 1) The name that his master calls him ... 2) His scientific name and ... 3) The name that nobody knows but the cat himself? Meow ...
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Old 09-20-2004, 08:03 PM
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Oh, stop trying to be so mysterious. If I didn't know better, I'd swear you were in cahoots with Iacchus.
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:32 AM
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Science does NOT only study material things. In fact quantum mechanics or quantum physics, whichever you prefer, is actually the study of energy BEFORE it manifests itself to our expectations. The main problem with science though is that it is just like everything else...an interpretation of reality, not reality itself. Confusing the finger for what it is pointing at is common, yet the finger can never describe its subject of inquiry. Everything remains unexplainable and relative and in this all of truth is encompassed.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:24 AM
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a quick comment on the above:

Science does NOT only study material things. In fact quantum mechanics or quantum physics, whichever you prefer, is actually the study of energy BEFORE it manifests itself to our expectations. The main problem with science though is that it is just like everything else...an interpretation of reality, not reality itself. Confusing the finger for what it is pointing at is common, yet the finger can never describe its subject of inquiry. Everything remains unexplainable and relative and in this all of truth is encompassed.
My concept of materialism includes energy and quantum physics and anything that is demonstrable by evidence.

Yes, it is an interpretation, but it is an interpretation based on repeatable, demonstrable evidence, which, in my opinion, is far better than interpretations based on "internal truths" or "messages from God" or similarly unsupportable and unrepeatable beliefs. We can describe what the finger is pointing at. It takes a lot of work and study, but the result is a reasonably good description of objective reality that can be verified by anyone who chooses to look closely.
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Old 01-22-2005, 07:13 AM
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a quick comment on the above:

Science does NOT only study material things. In fact quantum mechanics or quantum physics, whichever you prefer, is actually the study of energy BEFORE it manifests itself to our expectations. The main problem with science though is that it is just like everything else...an interpretation of reality, not reality itself. Confusing the finger for what it is pointing at is common, yet the finger can never describe its subject of inquiry. Everything remains unexplainable and relative and in this all of truth is encompassed.
Hey, and just what the heck gives you the right to sound the trumpet of certainty around here?

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