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Old 02-05-2005, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Iacchus32
Yes, but can we all escape the fact that we are in the "here," and in the "now?"
Actually, we can. The "now" when you typed that message is past, yet I am just "now" reading it. In fact, you cannot possibly live in the "now". By the time the nerve signals are transmitted from your senses to your brain, the things they saw/heard/smelled/tasted/felt are milliseconds in the past. Your mind is totally incapable of sensing the true "now". It can only sense the recent past.

Pretty heavy stuff, eh?
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Old 02-05-2005, 08:09 PM
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Actually, we can. The "now" when you typed that message is past, yet I am just "now" reading it. In fact, you cannot possibly live in the "now". By the time the nerve signals are transmitted from your senses to your brain, the things they saw/heard/smelled/tasted/felt are milliseconds in the past. Your mind is totally incapable of sensing the true "now". It can only sense the recent past.

Pretty heavy stuff, eh?
What, are you acknowledging that you have "a mind" now? Hmm ... Regardless, we still can't escape the fact that the now exists, otherwise we wouldn't be experiencing its effects.
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Old 02-05-2005, 08:17 PM
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Do you, literally, mean that you and I are both at the same place right now? If you do, I suggest you are wrong. If you do not, then your words here are just blather.
Of course not, it's the notion that time and space intersect in the here and now, that I'm referring to here, which is experiencable. For example, the notion of Eternity is ever-present when we say, "Today is the first day of the rest of your life."
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Old 02-05-2005, 08:48 PM
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Of course not, it's the notion that time and space intersect in the here and now, that I'm referring to here, which is experiencable. For example, the notion of Eternity is ever-present when we say, "Today is the first day of the rest of your life."
Why? I do not expect my life to last an eternity--why do you think the "notion of eternity" is "ever-present" when we say that?

And what do you mean by "intersect in the here and now"? Do you suggest that time and space were not together in the past? Do you think that in the future they may come apart? If not, why is the here and now so special?

I mean, the things you are saying don't really even sound deep when you give them a little thought. Lots and lots of words....but where is the meaning?
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Old 02-05-2005, 11:33 PM
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And what do you mean by "intersect in the here and now"? Do you suggest that time and space were not together in the past? Do you think that in the future they may come apart? If not, why is the here and now so special?

I mean, the things you are saying don't really even sound deep when you give them a little thought. Lots and lots of words....but where is the meaning?

space and time only intersect in the present. Since the light barrier for particles and matter is the unreachable speed limit that an object can obtain, traveling faster than that will bring you in the past, and if this is the past that means that objects with mass can travel faster than light, and that's the reason why we don't live in the past. It's an axiom that time and space intersect in the now because the future is ahead of the now and now is the now.
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Old 02-06-2005, 02:10 AM
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Why? I do not expect my life to last an eternity--why do you think the "notion of eternity" is "ever-present" when we say that?
Because you are merely witnessing that which goes on indefinitely, in the moment ... which, is the only reference point we have to witness anything by the way.

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And what do you mean by "intersect in the here and now"? Do you suggest that time and space were not together in the past? Do you think that in the future they may come apart? If not, why is the here and now so special?
You can speak of time which occurred a long time ago or, speak some place which exists far away. Yet, in order for us to experience it, it has to exist in the here and now.

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I mean, the things you are saying don't really even sound deep when you give them a little thought. Lots and lots of words....but where is the meaning?
The key here is in how we witness reality which, can only occur in the moment.
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