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Old 10-17-2004, 07:14 AM
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What, and you're officially keeping score here?
No, I'm acknowledging when you have made a good point, just as Eppy (Epiphany) suggested.
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Ah, but what is a whole multitude of Titans, but a whole multitude of individual Titans?
Nothing, unless of course you're trying to massage the letters of the word to fit your preconceived notions. In that case you would choose "Titan" if it fit or "Titans" if it fit, and if neither fit, you would choose another language. For example the name of this thread suggests Jesus = 666. Does "Jesu" equal 666? How about "Jesus Christ"? How exactly do you choose which spelling/wording/language is the significant one? Do you choose before you've added up the letters? If not, then I suspect that your discoveries are tailored to fit your desired outcome.
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Sensible folks no longer believe in spirituality do they?
Lots of them do. Everybody is skeptical about different things. But people who are, for the most part, sensible, tend to lose that sensibility when discussing religion. They accept statements that they would never accept if spoken by a used car salesman.

Sadly, many otherwise sensible people do not understand or practice critical thinking about religion. More's the pity.
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Old 10-17-2004, 09:32 AM
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No, I'm acknowledging when you have made a good point, just as Eppy (Epiphany) suggested.
Ah, but how do I know you're not being facetious? Maybe it's just the way it was worded?

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Nothing, unless of course you're trying to massage the letters of the word to fit your preconceived notions. In that case you would choose "Titan" if it fit or "Titans" if it fit, and if neither fit, you would choose another language. For example the name of this thread suggests Jesus = 666. Does "Jesu" equal 666? How about "Jesus Christ"? How exactly do you choose which spelling/wording/language is the significant one? Do you choose before you've added up the letters? If not, then I suspect that your discoveries are tailored to fit your desired outcome.
I usually go with the spelling I've been given (so it doesn't look like I've "added" anything), which in this case happened to be both "Titan" and "Jesus."

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Lots of them do. Everybody is skeptical about different things. But people who are, for the most part, sensible, tend to lose that sensibility when discussing religion. They accept statements that they would never accept if spoken by a used car salesman.
Hey, some of my best friends are used car salesmen or, so they say. And yet all that tells us is that people have the propensity to be gullible, so? Just because it's not easily falsifiable doesn't make it any less true. It might make people more inclined to believe in it blindly, but still it doesn't prove anything.

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Sadly, many otherwise sensible people do not understand or practice critical thinking about religion. More's the pity.
And if they did, would they be less inclined to believe in religion ... if at all?
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Old 10-17-2004, 05:14 PM
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Ah, but how do I know you're not being facetious? Maybe it's just the way it was worded?
You can't "know" that. You can only take my word for it. And I am telling you honestly that it was one of your better allusions. Of course, that implies that some of your others were not so good. But you know my feelings on that.
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I usually go with the spelling I've been given (so it doesn't look like I've "added" anything), which in this case happened to be both "Titan" and "Jesus."
Well, actually you are not going with "Titan" because the original reference to this said "Titan in Greek". How the numbers were determined, what with different characters etc., is beyond me. I just kinda have to take their word for it. But the fact that they had to change languages to make it fit indicates to me that it is a rather blatant attempt to make the data fit their belief rather than any real significance in the data. Do you think they would have gone to Greek if "Titan" in English added up to 666? Honestly.

But if it is specifically "Titan" and not "Titans", then that sort of ruins my compliment to you, since it would mean that it referred only to the satellite and not to the mythological beings, thus the "status quo" reference would make no sense. Darnie-poo.
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Hey, some of my best friends are used car salesmen or, so they say.
Mine too. In fact, I used to be a salesperson. I sold encyclopedias. In my training, they taught us how to fool and mislead people, so I have learned to be skeptical about anything a salesman has to say. This is not to say that they aren't wonderful people. Selling is just their job.
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And yet all that tells us is that people have the propensity to be gullible, so? Just because it's not easily falsifiable doesn't make it any less true.
I think it does make it less true. Truth, in my opinion, should be verifiable. If it is not, then it is speculation. Yes, some speculation does indeed turn out to be true, but the only way to tell that is to verify it.

Interesting diversion. The word "verify" comes from the Greek "veritas", meaning "truth". To verify something literally means to show the truth of it. If you cannot verify it, then it cannot be called "truth".
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It might make people more inclined to believe in it blindly, but still it doesn't prove anything.
That would indicate that you don't think anything can be "proved". I mostly agree, with the exception of some math things. I prefer to say "has evidence to support it", then I provide the evidence or at least a source for the evidence. The word "prove" is badly misused, in my opinion, although I misuse it too.
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And if they did, would they be less inclined to believe in religion ... if at all?
Yes, I'm afraid so. After all, faith, by definition, means accepting without evidence.

I have faith you will directly answer my direct questions in the future.
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:54 AM
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You can't "know" that. You can only take my word for it. And I am telling you honestly that it was one of your better allusions. Of course, that implies that some of your others were not so good. But you know my feelings on that.
The thing is, unless you word it a certain way, you can't expect to get a certain reaction out of someone else if, in fact that's what you're looking for.

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Well, actually you are not going with "Titan" because the original reference to this said "Titan in Greek". How the numbers were determined, what with different characters etc., is beyond me. I just kinda have to take their word for it. But the fact that they had to change languages to make it fit indicates to me that it is a rather blatant attempt to make the data fit their belief rather than any real significance in the data. Do you think they would have gone to Greek if "Titan" in English added up to 666? Honestly.
Dionysus was Greek by the way, so in that respect it only makes sense that the name Titan add up to 666 in Greek, not that I really care all that much at this point. I was merely noting the coincidence.

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But if it is specifically "Titan" and not "Titans", then that sort of ruins my compliment to you, since it would mean that it referred only to the satellite and not to the mythological beings, thus the "status quo" reference would make no sense. Darnie-poo.
Well, not all Titans were persecutors of Dionysus (his grandmother for instance, being one), so in that sense the number 666 can apply to a single Titan as well.

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Mine too. In fact, I used to be a salesperson. I sold encyclopedias. In my training, they taught us how to fool and mislead people, so I have learned to be skeptical about anything a salesman has to say. This is not to say that they aren't wonderful people. Selling is just their job.
Actually I was just joking. I don't really have any car salesmen friends.

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I think it does make it less true. Truth, in my opinion, should be verifiable. If it is not, then it is speculation. Yes, some speculation does indeed turn out to be true, but the only way to tell that is to verify it.
Truth is the truth. The only thing that makes it less of a truth is if we perceive it incorrectly.

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Interesting diversion. The word "verify" comes from the Greek "veritas", meaning "truth". To verify something literally means to show the truth of it. If you cannot verify it, then it cannot be called "truth".
Then it all depends on how you go about verifying it I guess?

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That would indicate that you don't think anything can be "proved". I mostly agree, with the exception of some math things. I prefer to say "has evidence to support it", then I provide the evidence or at least a source for the evidence. The word "prove" is badly misused, in my opinion, although I misuse it too.
I think anything that's tangible and can be observed can be proven.

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Yes, I'm afraid so. After all, faith, by definition, means accepting without evidence.

I have faith you will directly answer my direct questions in the future.
And so I rest my case, for in many ways (contingent upon this primarily) religion has fallen by the wayside, and now we have Science -- with, its empirical methods -- by which to maintain the status quo. Religion has pretty much lost its tangibility in other words.
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Old 10-18-2004, 02:56 PM
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I found another article from a website Paranormal News, titled "The Meaning of "666", written by Patrick H. Bellringer (note the post by Georgios3377 dated 7/26/2004 regarding titans):

The Meaning of "666"
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