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Old 08-29-2004, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Iacchus32
Your question is already answered. You don't need me to answer it. And yes, I am very well aware of what you're saying. However, you don't seem to be particularly aware of what I have to say.
If my question is answered, the answer must be the obvious "No, of course we are not at the same place at the same time." But, of course, that answer is completely at odds with what you have been saying about the center of the universe. So, either what you are saying is meaningless, or we are, in fact, at the same place right now.

I gotta go with "what you are saying is meaningless."

Or did you answer it with a "yes"? If you did, it was not obvious, despite the opportunity offered you. It was a very simple question.
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Old 08-29-2004, 08:47 PM
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If my question is answered, the answer must be the obvious "No, of course we are not at the same place at the same time."
Yes, you are correct in what you're saying.

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But, of course, that answer is completely at odds with what you have been saying about the center of the universe. So, either what you are saying is meaningless, or we are, in fact, at the same place right now.
Do you what's funny, is that by saying the center of the Universe exists everywhere, all you're really saying is that everything operates from its own axis which, in fact it does. Which, is entirely in line with what you're saying.

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I gotta go with "what you are saying is meaningless."

Or did you answer it with a "yes"? If you did, it was not obvious, despite the opportunity offered you. It was a very simple question.
And yet when Black Elk says the central mountain is everywhere, it acknowledges this as well as the fact that God exists in all things. Meaning, it isn't necessary to set aside some holy place (or land) in order to worship Him, because He's not somewhere outside of ourseves, but within us. In which case we take Him wherever we go, because He's everywhere. And, aside from realizing this, all we really need do is live our own lives ... if, we wish to worship Him.
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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?
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Old 08-31-2004, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Iacchus32
Yes, you are correct in what you're saying.
You agree? Hmmm...I would bet, though, that you will not agree with the obvious next step, that this makes your use of the word "center" absolutely meaningless.
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Do you what's funny, is that by saying the center of the Universe exists everywhere, all you're really saying is that everything operates from its own axis which, in fact it does. Which, is entirely in line with what you're saying.
No, that is not at all what you are "really saying". Each operates from its own axis is completely different from each is in the center. Either you misunderstand, or misrepresent, what I am saying, because your claim is most certainly not in line with it.
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And yet when Black Elk says the central mountain is everywhere, it acknowledges this as well as the fact that God exists in all things. Meaning, it isn't necessary to set aside some holy place (or land) in order to worship Him, because He's not somewhere outside of ourseves, but within us. In which case we take Him wherever we go, because He's everywhere. And, aside from realizing this, all we really need do is live our own lives ... if, we wish to worship Him.
Acknowledges? The fact? Aside from sounding all touchy-feely and new-age, this is complete trash! Again (I have explained this one so many times I am sick of it) you have described something which, by your own explanation, is impossible to know. (if you wish, I can explain it yet again, but I will leave it unexplained this time to see whether you paid attention the last several times.)
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