Dionysus Forums Archives - Where does the energy go?

#81

09-29-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by goozleberry

I don't think that is the point of that parable. But even so, there would be countless mustard seeds that don't flourish for each one that does. So the odds of any single seed being "the one" are quite small, just as the liklihood that your concept of God being the correct one is quite small. Even though there appears to be plenty of fertilizer for your mustard seed.

Or, maybe you're not familiar with the parable? ... "The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed." ~ Matthew 13:31 It doesn't say any grain of mustard seed in particular, just "a" grain of mustard seed. Now, there are those of the Christian Church (so-called) who may very well think this notion applies to them but, I don't think that it does. Why? Because their teachings have very little to do with the principles Jesus taught. And is pretty much reflected when Jesus says, "They profess my name on their lips, but their hearts are far from me." ~ Matthew 15:7-9 ... Albeit this refers to the scribes and Pharisees at the time, and yet the general idea is still the same.

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?

Last edited by Iacchus32 : 09-29-2004 at 05:49 PM.

#82

09-29-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital Cuttlefish

Dreams don't lie...

I asked you in another thread whether you had examined the peer-reviewed literature on dreams and dreaming. There are journals devoted to the subject, and quite a large literature within other mainstream journals as well. As I said in my question in the other thread, do not discount these articles because they are written by scientists; they are written by people who have dedicated their lives to the study of dreams and consciousness. If you are at all interested in dreams, you owe it to yourself to check them out. Do let us know if the consensus of opinion among those who are most familiar with dreams agrees with your informal observation, please.

Or you could just assume that dreams don't lie, and deny science if it disagrees with you.

Gosh, Diggy. It is quite obvious that your library is in need of updating. You seem to have missed out on the more recent authoratative reports on dreaming. My extensive web search has turned up at least one researcher, Professor C. Gayle, who agrees with Iacchus.

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...Maybe I'm being foolish
'Cause I haven't heard you mention anybody's name at all
How I wish I could be sure it's me that turns you on
Each time you close your eyes
I've heard it said that dreamers never lie.

Try to stay on top of your field, Diggy.

#83

09-29-2004, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by goozleberry

Ah, yes, that particular line of research began as a rebuttal to the work of Everly and Everly (1958), advincing the notion that dreaming is all one need do.. I prefer the earlier Dickens (1843) hypothesis, myself, blaming the nightmare on undigested beef and mustard, if I recall correctly.

I'll give you this much--your useless links are more entertaining than Iacchus's useless links.

#84

10-01-2004, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Iacchus32

The idea is still the same? He compares the kingdom of heaven to a mustard seed, a landowner, a pearl, a net, yeast, a farmer... His parables only make a little more sense than your metaphors, Iacchy.

And what is the real meaning of the parable? Oh, it's pretty mundane. "Great oafs from little acorns grow."

#85

10-18-2004, 04:28 PM

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seeds are great metaphors for anything that develops over time, starting at something tiny (with infinite potential) and ending at something substantial (still with infinite potential). life? the universe? an idea?

dreams are definitely an untapped resource, but should we go there? is it possible to be objective about such a subject? i think not. the metaphoric and highly complex existance of dreams is something for an individual to seek in introspection and self observation.

same with life/reality. sure we can generalise and propose some sort of average existence in a material body with all these restrictions and rules and laws of physicality. this is why some of us pay little attention to such Matter. as it is the connections, the energy, the flux and flow, that keeps us interested in living. not to play down the essential matter, for without it the rest would not exist...

the rest, though, is infinite i'm afraid and you'll have an extremely hard time convincing me otherwise.

please help me with this fellow thinkers:

objective reality. this something that only exists with an observer (see Einstein?). if there was only a single observer, wouldn't it be subjective? ie. very much dependent on the observers own existance, and also connected and most probably affected by simply the thoughts or actions of this observer, which seems to be a god like figure.

if many observers grouped together, each with their own SUBJECTIVE opinion, and proceeded to form an OBJECTIVE opinion (ie. an agreement, or truth). they would all be affecting and 'creating' their own percieved version of reality, using the limited knowledge and languange available to them at the time. certainly not an absolute truth, simply highly possible.

this imaginative construction they 'create' would be for there own purpose and for there own good, no? as if what was being 'discovered' was really actually being 'created'. now assuming these creations based on humanly devised methods, and language, were actually proving to enable the 'creators' to perform what once would have been termed 'magic', what an interesting and profound reality it would be. how does this make one feel?

with the mind affecting matter issue: that is startling that no connection has yet been made between consciousness and physicality. how much there is to learn!