Since I don't have privileges to post in the Mind vs. Brain thread... What if this was not at all the way things happened. Imagine everything, not just one thing, appearing in a fiery "big bang", then moving apart from the force of the bang, cooling, separating, interacting, forming stable substances, stable galaxies, planets, and finally, life. Unstable things are long gone, or changed into something else.

The idea of only a single thing "adding" more things doesn't make a lot of sense, as it would require multiple "creations".

And there you go. Already you are having to add things.

See? You simply add more layers of complexity to the model. Think of a volcano erupting. (Not a great metaphor, but it will have to do). Lava comes pouring out of a hole. At first, the lava is fluid and volatile. It doesn't hold it's shape very long. As it cools, crystals start to settle out. Some of those crystals are unstable and are reabsorbed, or changed to other things. As cooling continues, stable crystals form and remain. After a long time, it may appear that the lava is stable, but complex interactions are still occuring at a molecular level.

Like I say, it's not a great model, but maybe you get the idea. Everything comes out at once, all jumbled, then things that are stable start to settle down.

Perhaps I should watch that "origins" thing that Diggy mentions. I'm not doing a good job of explaining.Is this about predetermination then? If so, I don't agree with you. Although there are rules, those rules do not predicate a specific outcome. There are still chaotic outcomes to events.
Though DNA may encode some (NOT ALL) of the characteristics of a human, DNA is far from stable. It is constantly changing, depending on environmental conditions and all sorts of other things. This is called evolution.

I know what you are trying to say, and yes, it might be comforting to some to think that there is a "master blueprint" out there somewhere, but I see no evidence for it. Complexity arises simply because stable things remain around for a longer time. It leaves behind all sorts of evidence of things that didn't work, so the idea that it is all "planned" is not as logical as it would appear to be.
We could avoid bringing it up quite easily, but I am unsurprised that you couldn't.
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Just as a side note: I know you have those other threads locked off for a reason, but when you post "discussionable" stuff like this there, it almost appears that you don't want to hear any other opinions.

Not to pile on or anything, but I just wanted to support Gooze in her/his* effort to comment on the uncommmentable.

Who knows, maybe some later time I might want to comment on something myself.


*I do thank 'Berry for clarifying that I need not include "its" or "their".

Again, from the locked-down thread.You don't know how thrilled I am to see you say this. I know that I (and possibly others) suggested this to you, so it means that you actually do read and think about the things we post. But then......after acknowledging that time is based on a material universe, you do a one-eighty and plunge into immaterial time. Think of it, Iacchus. What does "rise" mean. It means to grow or emerge over time. Would this word mean anything if there were no "material time"? No.

Nevertheless, I am still extremely pleased at your progress into accepting the material nature of time, even if you don't completely understand it. That's okay. Understanding will come in time.
DNA is only one of the things that tells the body what to do. Even with DNA, unpredictable things happen to your body. Also, it is not determined that life on earth always contained DNA. It is possible that earlier life had other "blueprint" things.
This is a total non-sequitur from your previous sentences. There is no evidence of an "immaterial dimension" (which is itself a contradiction in terms), nor is there any evidence that we "go" anywhere in our dreams. I understand that you post in this section because you haven't completely worked out your thoughts on these matters, but really, you could at least not shift directions so suddenly like this. You may give your fellow forum members whiplash.

No, I'm afraid this has been my contention all along, that the temporal springs forth from the Eternal.

Craaack that whip, huh?

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So when the body dies, and consciousness departs, where do "we" go? ... Off to define another "reality" perhaps?