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Old 10-19-2004, 03:28 PM
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Are you sure? How many revolutions does a generator need to turn in order to produce one sine wave? One full circle, right?
Wrong. The rate of revolution of the generator has little or nothing to do with the frequency of the waves generated. You are probably think of graphing a point on a rolling wheel. Not the same thing, I'm afraid.
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And what if you were to take that circle (representatively) and split it in two and stretch it out so it looks like the curved line we're referring to?
Superficially, yes, but they are different. For the record it also looks like the letter "S". Also like a snake. And if you lie it on it's side, it looks like a pancake. Is this an ink-blots test?
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Certainly, at the very least, it portrays the mechanical aspect of the generator (one revolution) which produced the sine wave doesn't it? In other words we're still speaking about the same.
No it doesn't. What "we" are doing is relentlessly redefining reality in order to fit into "our" little philosophical metaphors. "We" really shouldn't do that.
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You really ought to consider things in context with the rest of the things I'm trying to say. And yes, the yin and ying symbol is a perfect represention of this "dual nature" of reality.
Which means that I was correct in saying you can assign representation however you like. You can call the curve in the middle the "snake" in the Garden of Eden if you like, where Good and Evil first were separated. None of the representations have anything to do with reality.
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Old 10-19-2004, 03:51 PM
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funny...when I hit the "quote" button on your post that says
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Digital,

Can you repost the last post with the yin and yang symbol please? I didn't mean to do that (edit it), sorry.
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No, this is just your version of the yin and yang. For as I understand (I could be mistaken here) your version is merely an adaptation of what the Koreans interpreted from the Chinese. In which case my version refers to the original.
Is the database having problems again?

To answer your question...if I have time later I might. What is important is that you saw it, and gooze certainly knows what symbol I am talking about. This does come back to the talk about interpreting symbols; why, if symbols show some universal sign, do they vary enough for us to see such different interpretations, even among different versions of yin/yang? (for the record, I have no idea which is "the" right one, if such a thing exists; I do know I have always had it explained that the dots are crucial to the symbol.)
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Old 10-19-2004, 04:38 PM
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funny...when I hit the "quote" button on your post that says
I get the following text:

Is the database having problems again?
No, you merely caught me in the process of trying to "fix" things. In fact I just re-edited the post and substituted pictures. If you don't find it to your liking, then by all means change it back. Thanks!

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To answer your question...if I have time later I might. What is important is that you saw it, and gooze certainly knows what symbol I am talking about. This does come back to the talk about interpreting symbols; why, if symbols show some universal sign, do they vary enough for us to see such different interpretations, even among different versions of yin/yang? (for the record, I have no idea which is "the" right one, if such a thing exists; I do know I have always had it explained that the dots are crucial to the symbol.)
In my opinion the dots are adding more than what is necessary, as it already portrays the contrast existing within the whole which, is all these dots are doing, reiterating that.
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Old 10-19-2004, 04:45 PM
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Wrong. The rate of revolution of the generator has little or nothing to do with the frequency of the waves generated. You are probably think of graphing a point on a rolling wheel. Not the same thing, I'm afraid.
Doesn't a generator revolve around an axis and typically spin in circles?
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Old 10-19-2004, 05:29 PM
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Doesn't a generator revolve around an axis and typically spin in circles?
Some do, some don't. There are many kinds. But even in the ones that do use some sort of a turbine, the output wavelength/frequency has nothing to do with speed of rotation of the turbine. Some are extremely low RPM.

For example, you can turn yourself into a simple generator just by scuffing across the carpet while wearing leather shoes. Watch out for that doorknob!
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Old 10-19-2004, 07:15 PM
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I guess I was too optimistic that progress had been made.
That's too bad. Oh well, here's some more information on the use of the two dots in the yin and yang symbol ...

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"The term "Tai Chi" first appeared in the "Book of Change" better known as "I Ching", in which it is said "Out of Tai Chi is born two elements; out of two elements are born the four phenomenas; out of the four phenomenas are form the eight trigrams." The term Tai Chi here refers to the originator of everything. Later in the Northern Song Dynasty, a neo-Confucian philosopher by the name of Chow Ton Yee expanded this notion with the contribution from Taoism. He used the Tai Chi symbol to demonstrated the common elements in everything. What he did was make a circle to represent Wu Chi stage. Inside this Wu Chi circle, he drew a wave line in the middle separating two equal black and white components to represent yin and yang. The black component represented yin and the white component represented yang. Inside the white component was a black dot to show that yin existed in yang and inside the black component was a white dot to show that yang existed in yin. With this he established a duality principle to explain that yin and yang are the most basic of all things. When these two components intercourse, everything mutlipied. Later, when this duality principle became popular, people used the term "Tai Chi" as Tai Chi symbol to represent the universe. Now, we can see that the term "Tai Chi" in the Book of Change does not have the same meaning as the term "Tai Chi" in the "Tai Chi"symbol. The first one refers to the originator of all things and the second one refers to the duality principle."
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Old 10-20-2004, 03:30 PM
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What happened to the rest of this thread? Did it get moved yet again?

from your link:
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The first one refers to the originator of all things and the second one refers to the duality principle.

from your post earlier:
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In my opinion the dots are adding more than what is necessary, as it already portrays the contrast existing within the whole which, is all these dots are doing, reiterating that.

Now, these ideas have been split up into so many different threads that I have no idea if this would be the place to put this comment...but in one of these threads I suggested that you (or maybe another poster, but you agreed) see dichotomies where you could see spectrums. I suggest that this is another such instance. The original yin/yang explicitly (in my reading of your link; I am willing to be corrected) spoke of the union of the two, and graphically (through the dots) showed that there is always yin in yang, and vice versa. In other words, explicitly not a dichotomy. You are absolutely correct, the later interpretation agrees with your dualistic view.

My point is that you choose to see the dualistic view when you could have seen the spectrum. That is it.

It occurs to me that you might consider this a values judgment on my part; that I am opposed to the simplified binary view; this is not the case. It is sometimes necessary to dichotomize a complex variable in order to simplify it to the level where it is manageable. There is no good or bad to this manipulation of the observed data. The trick is, we must always recognise that the dichotomy is a function of our manipulation, and that the spectrum is what our observations have shown us. (obviously, if there are situations which are truly binary, there is no spectrum. In practice, these are rare--even life/non-life is not binary; there is debate as to whether viri, or prions, are alive--they show some characteristics of what we call "life", but not others. We may simplify and assert that life/non-life is a dichotomy, but it is assertion, not fact.) (it is also not "fact" that it is not a dichotomy, lest you think I claim that. Either assertion is only that--an assertion. One is more supported by the observed evidence, but it is not at all an open-and-shut "proof".)


Anyway, This post responds to something said in one of the many threads that either was moved from this one or was close enough to this one to confuse me into thinking it was. Feel free, Iacchus, to move it to its appropriate location if you think you know it. I will not protest.
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Old 10-20-2004, 04:29 PM
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Yes, please refer to Dreams ... Iacchus' Ignorance ... And be warned that I'm about to split this thread again, so we can discuss the nature of dualism and the Yin and Yang specifically, since it has very little to do with the topic of dreams.
That's fine--I said feel free to move my post--although you do have a thread here somewhere where the discussion on dualism already does fit...I just don't remember where.

Last edited by Iacchus32 : 10-20-2004 at 11:36 PM. Reason: Unrelated content due to split.
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Old 10-20-2004, 11:39 PM
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That's fine--I said feel free to move my post--although you do have a thread here somewhere where the discussion on dualism already does fit...I just don't remember where.
Yes, I believe it was started in this thread, albeit there were no references made to the Yin and Yang.
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Old 10-21-2004, 01:14 AM
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Yes, I believe it was started in this thread, albeit there were no references made to the Yin and Yang.
Yes, that's the one! Thanks for finding it--I had forgotten the title...
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